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On names and naming

  • Aug. 27th, 2006 at 9:23 AM
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One of the things I learned back in EFM yr 1 was that in some (ancient) cultures the practice of giving captives new names was in order to demonstrate power and control over the captives.  E.g., Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah were assigned new names Belteshazzar, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednigo when they were captured by Nebuchadezzar (Daniel 1:1-7).

I think of that every time John Sheppard names a Wraith: Steve, Bob, Michael.

And so I found it extra significant that Sheppard didn't assign a name to the Wraith in Common Ground, with whom he conspired, joked, and escaped -- and to whom Sheppard did not break his word.

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zoerayne: (Default)
[personal profile] zoerayne wrote:
Aug. 27th, 2006 06:02 pm (UTC)
I made this very point in chat last night. *g*

Also, the Wraith starts out calling John "Sheppard" and moves on to calling him "John Sheppard" at the end, which I think has some significance.
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[personal profile] jic wrote:
Aug. 27th, 2006 06:28 pm (UTC)
Go you!

Hmmm. I don't think I noticed that. I'll have to see it again. Oh, woe is not me.
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[personal profile] zoerayne wrote:
Aug. 27th, 2006 06:35 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure what significance it has, but I'm sure it has some. *g*
[identity profile] quettaser.livejournal.com wrote:
Aug. 27th, 2006 07:34 pm (UTC)
I totally agree. It really feels like a sign of respect (remember how Michael was treated by his queen when she found out he was given a name?) and the Wraith was respectful in turn, using John's full name at the end of the episode.
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[personal profile] jic wrote:
Aug. 27th, 2006 10:24 pm (UTC)
If by "it" you mean John not giving him a name (it's dumb how long it took me to make that connection), oh, ABSOLUTELY.
[identity profile] ceares.livejournal.com wrote:
Aug. 27th, 2006 10:38 pm (UTC)
Interesting. Not that ancient really if you count slavery. Really interesting if this is deliberate on the part of the writers. The name game on SGA always catches my eye, so I'll definitely be looking for this when I watch the episode.
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[personal profile] jic wrote:
Aug. 27th, 2006 10:57 pm (UTC)
Yeah. It has happened recently -- probably still happening in some parts of the world. But I can only really speak to the cultures present in the time of the Old Testament, since that's what we were studying.

I've been wondering if it's deliberate, too ;)
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[identity profile] scifigirl.livejournal.com wrote:
Aug. 28th, 2006 06:44 am (UTC)
I hadn't really thought about it like that before but you make a good point.
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[personal profile] jic wrote:
Aug. 29th, 2006 12:00 am (UTC)
Thanks! And thanks for stopping by :)
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[identity profile] monanotlisa.livejournal.com wrote:
Aug. 28th, 2006 09:14 pm (UTC)
in some (ancient) cultures the practice of giving captives new names was in order to demonstrate power and control over the captives. E.g., Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah were assigned new names Belteshazzar, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednigo when they were captured by Nebuchadezzar (Daniel 1:1-7).

Ancient cultures? Think US-American slaveowners who gave the people transported in from Africa an easily-pronouncable name, and their own surname if they were feeling particularly generous....

But that's one cool bit of background. Thanks for reminding us! & :-)
jic: Daniel Jackson (SG1) firing weapon, caption "skill to do comes of doing" (Default)
[personal profile] jic wrote:
Aug. 29th, 2006 12:20 am (UTC)
Oh, I'm sure it's probably still going on today in some parts of the world. But the ancient Hebrews were what I was studying, so that's what I had to cite. I'd hoped to give a nod to modern use of the custom with the parentheses.

Thanks for coming by, and for adding other evidence!