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jic ([personal profile] jic) wrote2006-08-27 10:49 am

About Rodney McKay and firearms....

It feels to me that Rodney's reputation for weapons inadequacy is undeserved, so I went through all the episodes I could remember him using a gun.


The Defiant One: We were not given reason to believe that he couldn't hit the Wraith; rather, he did appear to hit it each time -- if he hadn't, there would have been a hazard to Sheppard, since he was directly behind the target.  This did not seem to cause Rodney to hesitate. 

Rodney had to be reminded to reload.

Siege, Part 3: Rodney is ready to fire on the approaching Wraith, but accidentally ejects the clip, probably instead of disengaging the safety.

Runner: Rodney's skill was disparaged by Ford -- not his aim in particular, but the likelihood of accidental discharge.  Then Ford disarms McKay.  Later, Ford returns the weapon when they appear to be under threat, without any demeaning warnings one might expect toward a crappy shot.  Then, in a face off, Rodney shoots Ford in the shoulder -- which makes sense if a) Rodney would aim for the shoulder in an attempt to incapacitate rather than kill (as implied by his statement immediately prior, and later while hanging upside down), and b) Rodney can hit where he's aiming.  When that doesn't have the expected effect and Rodney flees, shooting into the air looks pretty silly, but it is effective as far as establishing location and danger is concerned, and he's already established that shooting Ford doesn't do a lot of good.

The Long Goodbye: Out of everyone in and near the room, Sheppard turns over his weapon to Rodney.  Shortly thereafter, under fire, Rodney shoots 3 times toward Sheppard's body controlled by a hostile alien consciousness, but doesn't actually hit him and hits him once in a non-vital but non-disabling place.  Beckett tells him not to shoot, for fear of him hitting Sheppard.

Sateda:  Beckett discounts Rodney's skill, saying "And you're a terrible shot."  Rodney doesn't deny it.

Common Ground: Spooked, Rodney opens fire with a P-90 on what turns out to be a mouse.  Or perhaps a rat.  At any rate, afterward, it is a dead mouse.  Hitting a moving target that size is not as easy as it looks.  Trust me.

My biased opinion: Rodney has the background, the hand-eye coordination, and enough experience to be a good shot, even an excellent one.  A site picture is a site picture, and Rodney hits what he aims at, when he bothers to aim.  However, he's not experienced enough with firearms or combat to keep his cool under pressure (failure to reload, clip ejection, losing skill when under fire) or be considered an expert.  Knowing that safeties and ejection buttons exist is not the same as knowing instinctively and reflexively which to use when.  He may not correct Beckett's misconception about his skill because a) he may feel that if he's not the best in the field, his skill is not worth pointing out, b) protesting too much gives the opposite impression, or c) he gets enough crap from Beckett already from exaggerating his ailments and he'd rather not expose himself to more mockery.  I think he gets too much flak in fandom for being a crap shot because a) we're taking Carson's word for it, b) we're equating general weapons expertise with the ability to hit a target, or c) we're being blinded by McKay's own unease.  For all that he's never missed when he's aiming, he's also never displayed any significant confidence with weapons.


Details gathered from transcripts at Gateworld, where it's way too easy to see spoilers for much of Season 3.  However, I'm not particularly sad about this.

[identity profile] ficbyzee.livejournal.com 2006-08-27 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Oooh. This was really interesting, thanks!
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[personal profile] zoerayne 2006-08-27 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Good points, and you address the apparent disparity in his skill level in a way I hadn't thought about. Thanks!

[identity profile] shadowserenity.livejournal.com 2006-08-27 06:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Terrific post.

"Common Ground" summed up Rodney's skill fairly well for me: he had a P-90 whereas Carson was assigned a sidearm.

I also think Rodney cops a lot of flak for his piloting skills, most of which is also unwarranted, don't you think?

[identity profile] amireal.livejournal.com 2006-08-27 06:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I think Rodney won't claim to be an expert in anything until he's very very sure he is.

He disparages his own skills at flying in Epiphany, though its been a year and he could easily have learned a lot since then.

I think guns and flying were just not skill sets he ever imagined learning, nor were they things that simply dropped at his feet as EASY and that is very new to him. Having to try and learn for these things in completely different ways than he had to for the science and the math.
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[identity profile] smittywing.livejournal.com 2006-08-27 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude, this is great! I was saying to [livejournal.com profile] greenygal the other day that I was fine with him dropping the clip in Siege 3, but after Defiant One, I disliked how utterly incompetent he came off in Season 2. The only thing is that I'd rather have a guy in the field who's a bad shot than one who panics and blatantly disregards basic gun safety, which the writers want to play for laughs. (And actually, because it's obviously played for laughs, like the citrus allergy, it doesn't bother me too much.) Did he miss John in The Long Goodbye? I thought he might have winged the same arm that was hit in The Defiant One. I guess I'll just have to watch it again. Oh, the tragedy!

[identity profile] shusu.livejournal.com 2006-08-27 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
It explains why we've seen him shoot without looking so often.

[identity profile] shadowserenity.livejournal.com 2006-08-27 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Point. Very true. As he's said several times, his purpose on Atlantis is to be the genius and do the brilliant science stuff ;).
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[identity profile] smittywing.livejournal.com 2006-08-27 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
The great part of this is that Rodney doesn't seem worried about the traditionally more difficult parts of flying: the takeoff and the landing. (Although I think the Atlantis autopilot does some of that for him.) I suspect what Rodney does is drift off course because he forgets to keep an eye on the heading and make constant, small, course corrections because he has trouble splitting his attention between what's going on around him and flying the 'jumper. And then, when he realizes that he's off-course, he over-corrects. He's not incompetent since John lets him fly a jumper back to Atlantis as early as Childhood's End...he's just not skilled.

[identity profile] shadowserenity.livejournal.com 2006-08-27 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to admit, we've seen more of Rodney piloting in S3. He took the jumper out in "Irresistible" to search for Sheppard, piloted in "Sateda" (dodging fire from the above Hive ship), and more recently, piloted in "Common Ground".

Might it be a cover for "I want to be busy setting up the tech while someone else flies"? I'd put more money on that. Yes, possibly. It reminds me of when I got my driver's license. I'd previously been so excited at the thought of driving my parent's car wherever I liked, but it turned out I still appreciated being a passenger half the time.

[identity profile] shadowserenity.livejournal.com 2006-08-27 07:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Your comments remind me of a post I read concerning that Siege 3 scene. Apparently it's quite difficult to hit eject when you're going for the safety. Must have taken some fiddling on David's part for it to play right.

[identity profile] imwithrebel.livejournal.com 2006-08-27 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, Rodney did hit Sheppard in his left arm in TLG. Here you can see a small hole in John's sleeve. (http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1857/the5flong5fgoodbye322ns1.jpg) And here, Thalen is bandaging that wound. (http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7866/the5flong5fgoodbye434gz0.jpg)
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[identity profile] smittywing.livejournal.com 2006-08-27 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay! In the scene where Rodney shoots at him, it looks like the last shot glances off the doorway. But a few minutes later, when Phoebus and Thalan are taunting each other on the radios, Thalan is adjusting a bandage-type-thing around his upper arm. It looks more like gauze tacked down with duct tape than a field dressing but I can't think of any other reason he'd have it on.

[identity profile] shusu.livejournal.com 2006-08-27 07:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess the transcripts won't mention this, but Rodney has more than once aimed a gun over his shoulder and fired multiple rounds without looking at his target. He did it to possessed John, and he recently did it in the opening of Sateda.

In The Long Goodbye, I'm pretty sure John's lucky and/or skilled enough not to get shot in the face.

I agree with your interpretation; I also think Rodney can't watch himself killing human beings. I'll have to rewatch again, but he might have been genuinely bothered by the mouse in Common Ground, given his reaction to rodents in Hide and Seek and Duet. And Letters from Pegasus establishes his childhood attachment to cute mammals.

I'd write it off as a quirk after two seasons, but returning to it in the third season makes me think it's a consciously chosen theme.

[identity profile] zyna-kat.livejournal.com 2006-08-27 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi! Here via... oh, I have no idea where I got this link.

This is a great discussion--Rodney shooting. I'll add a few scenes:

- in Aurora, when the Wraith wakes up, Rodney panics, flails, and fires his sidearm while running away. He seems to hit (or come very close to hitting) the Wraith, with every shot.

- in The Long Goodbye, Rodney panics and flails and shoots, and does hit John. (Oddly enough, in the same place the Super-Wraith hits John in The Defiant One.)

My conclusion: Rodney is and can be a damned good shot. But when he thinks about it too much (like in Siege), his nerves overcome his instinct, and he doesn't do as well.

YMMV, of course. :)

[identity profile] anitac588.livejournal.com 2006-08-27 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for this overview!
I wholeheartedly agree with abc points!

[identity profile] anitac588.livejournal.com 2006-08-27 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I disliked how utterly incompetent he came off in Season 2.
I think in the commentaires somenone hinted that they are aware that fans are pissed about it. You'd think they'd work on that in the Season 3.

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